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31 00:01:45,130 --> 00:01:40,670 today we're going to spend a little time 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:45,140 looking at alleged alien material some 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:47,090 instances where people claim to possess 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:49,610 items that are pieces of a flying saucer 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:52,850 or other material that has an 36 00:01:56,290 --> 00:01:54,650 extraterrestrial origin 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:56,300 we're talking about this subject today 38 00:02:00,969 --> 00:01:59,090 because alien material has been a 39 00:02:03,820 --> 00:02:00,979 subject of renewed interest in the past 40 00:02:05,950 --> 00:02:03,830 year or so because to the Stars Academy 41 00:02:07,630 --> 00:02:05,960 of Arts and Science and organization 42 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:07,640 we've mentioned repeatedly on this show 43 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:11,030 announced back in September 2018 that 44 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:12,890 had acquired seven pieces of material 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:16,280 that were purportedly from unidentified 46 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:17,570 aerial phenomena 47 00:02:22,210 --> 00:02:19,520 it was during that same announcement 48 00:02:25,510 --> 00:02:22,220 that G TSA revealed that a material 49 00:02:28,540 --> 00:02:25,520 sample in their possession was on loan 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:28,550 to the company a certain magnesium zinc 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:33,050 bismuth sample well in July of 2019 T 52 00:02:38,290 --> 00:02:35,090 TSA announced that it had formally 53 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:38,300 acquired this particular sample in the 54 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:40,640 press release about the acquisition T 55 00:02:45,850 --> 00:02:43,040 TSA chief operations officer Steve 56 00:02:48,340 --> 00:02:45,860 Justus explained quote the structure and 57 00:02:50,890 --> 00:02:48,350 composition of these materials are not 58 00:02:53,860 --> 00:02:50,900 from any known existing military or 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:53,870 commercial application and quote he went 60 00:02:59,320 --> 00:02:55,970 on to explain that the company is quote 61 00:03:01,660 --> 00:02:59,330 focusing on verifiable facts and working 62 00:03:03,910 --> 00:03:01,670 to develop independent scientific proof 63 00:03:07,090 --> 00:03:03,920 of the materials properties and 64 00:03:09,789 --> 00:03:07,100 attributes in quote he pointed out that 65 00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:09,799 quote in some cases the manufacturing 66 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:11,840 technology required to fabricate the 67 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:14,200 material is only now becoming available 68 00:03:20,970 --> 00:03:17,690 but the material has been in documented 69 00:03:23,650 --> 00:03:20,980 possession since the mid-1990s in quote 70 00:03:27,370 --> 00:03:23,660 the press release also stated that the 71 00:03:28,660 --> 00:03:27,380 company was actively seeking part the 72 00:03:30,610 --> 00:03:28,670 company was actively seeking 73 00:03:32,890 --> 00:03:30,620 partnerships to help research this 74 00:03:35,259 --> 00:03:32,900 sample and as we discussed a couple 75 00:03:37,420 --> 00:03:35,269 weeks ago or a couple episodes ago 76 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:37,430 depending on when you listen to it TTS a 77 00:03:42,310 --> 00:03:39,769 recently entered into an agreement with 78 00:03:44,979 --> 00:03:42,320 the US Army where the Army is making 79 00:03:47,470 --> 00:03:44,989 military labs available to t TSA to 80 00:03:51,009 --> 00:03:47,480 enhance TTS A's research capabilities 81 00:03:51,430 --> 00:03:51,019 and T TSA will share new findings and 82 00:03:53,350 --> 00:03:51,440 other 83 00:03:55,090 --> 00:03:53,360 research with the army that the army can 84 00:03:58,690 --> 00:03:55,100 then use to develop enhancements for its 85 00:04:00,640 --> 00:03:58,700 ground vehicles TT sa acquired this 86 00:04:02,590 --> 00:04:00,650 material of interest from former 87 00:04:05,530 --> 00:04:02,600 journalist and current UFO personality 88 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:05,540 Linda Moulton Howe who herself got the 89 00:04:09,190 --> 00:04:07,850 material from the late art bill former 90 00:04:12,220 --> 00:04:09,200 host of the popular late night radio 91 00:04:15,370 --> 00:04:12,230 show coast to coast am the story behind 92 00:04:17,860 --> 00:04:15,380 this material is that it allegedly comes 93 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:17,870 from a military retrieval of a crashed 94 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:21,170 UFO in 1947 near the White Sands proving 95 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:23,330 ground now the White Sands Missile Range 96 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:27,320 in New Mexico now how has talked about 97 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:30,830 this material for years she asserts that 98 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:33,170 she's been facilitating various testing 99 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:36,110 for decades and she's of course speaking 100 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:38,570 about it again because of the recent 101 00:04:43,660 --> 00:04:41,630 transaction Angevin is recently 102 00:04:46,740 --> 00:04:43,670 published a story on Viacom's text 103 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:46,750 section motherboard on november 14th and 104 00:04:51,370 --> 00:04:49,610 in the article he explains that how 105 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:51,380 believes the material could become a 106 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:54,320 quote lifting body with the right amount 107 00:04:59,920 --> 00:04:57,140 of electromagnetic static and certain RF 108 00:05:01,990 --> 00:04:59,930 frequency how explains that TTS a 109 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:02,000 conducted several tests on the material 110 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:04,610 but kept running into problems then 111 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:08,090 later Steve Justice actually contacted 112 00:05:14,350 --> 00:05:10,730 how stating that the army might be 113 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:14,360 interested in the material so we've 114 00:05:21,220 --> 00:05:17,260 really haven't talked much on this show 115 00:05:23,470 --> 00:05:21,230 particularly about this material or 116 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:23,480 other meta materials in TTS A's 117 00:05:29,020 --> 00:05:26,510 possession so Brian I know you've been 118 00:05:31,060 --> 00:05:29,030 following this story too so what are 119 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:31,070 your thoughts about this acquisition 120 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:33,590 this thirty-five thousand dollar 121 00:05:39,490 --> 00:05:37,310 acquisition purportedly yeah I think 122 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:39,500 it's interesting that how like even in 123 00:05:46,570 --> 00:05:44,210 that article stated how surprised t TSA 124 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:46,580 was at that price that she gave them 125 00:05:51,370 --> 00:05:48,710 like they were expecting something like 126 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:51,380 you know hundred thousand maybe even 127 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:53,240 over stuff like a million dollars for 128 00:05:58,630 --> 00:05:56,240 this this meta material and when she 129 00:05:59,380 --> 00:05:58,640 throws that money yeah they were like oh 130 00:06:01,840 --> 00:05:59,390 my god really 131 00:06:04,890 --> 00:06:01,850 yeah it's ours let's what a bargain yeah 132 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:04,900 what a bargain on an alien material but 133 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:06,640 it's fascinating like you said these 134 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:09,670 this material has been tested and tested 135 00:06:14,850 --> 00:06:12,610 and tested so many times now but there's 136 00:06:16,970 --> 00:06:14,860 like we all three of us know there's 137 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:16,980 always more tests that can be done and 138 00:06:21,390 --> 00:06:19,690 the fact that the most expensive tests 139 00:06:24,030 --> 00:06:21,400 are the ones that haven't been done yet 140 00:06:27,030 --> 00:06:24,040 I think it's pretty cool that the army 141 00:06:30,090 --> 00:06:27,040 wants to do that it's interesting that 142 00:06:31,830 --> 00:06:30,100 it's the army that TSA is now working 143 00:06:34,050 --> 00:06:31,840 with you know they did so much headway 144 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:34,060 with the Navy in the past and now 145 00:06:38,430 --> 00:06:35,470 they're moving to another military 146 00:06:40,890 --> 00:06:38,440 branch so I think it's actually kind of 147 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:40,900 exciting I know a lot of people like oh 148 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:43,030 there go there they go there working 149 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:45,250 with the army now but um look there's 150 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:47,370 more to the the military than just 151 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:50,320 weaponizing things will it go that way 152 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:52,570 who knows but um I think it's kind of 153 00:06:57,900 --> 00:06:55,810 cool not gonna lie and worrying I don't 154 00:06:59,670 --> 00:06:57,910 I don't know about you but you know what 155 00:07:02,820 --> 00:06:59,680 I when I hear these stories and 156 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:02,830 particularly this one about you know 157 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:04,870 people throwing out thousands of dollars 158 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:07,750 or you know alleged UFO artifacts or 159 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:09,790 things like that it definitely gives me 160 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:13,330 flashbacks to our time at open minds you 161 00:07:18,210 --> 00:07:14,530 know where there were always people 162 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:18,220 trying to get us to buy things always 163 00:07:22,590 --> 00:07:20,230 claiming to have you know pieces of 164 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:22,600 flying saucers and you know all sorts of 165 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:26,050 alien technology and some of it I guess 166 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:28,420 we did buy its most of it we didn't but 167 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:30,970 well let's let's not say we bought it 168 00:07:35,460 --> 00:07:32,500 because we didn't really have a say in 169 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:35,470 what was purchased in what was not I 170 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:38,710 think in terms of on the investment 171 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:41,440 front I would have advised strongly 172 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:43,450 against purchasing some of the things 173 00:07:51,770 --> 00:07:49,300 that were purchased and I think I'm very 174 00:07:56,370 --> 00:07:51,780 curious how Linda came up with that 175 00:07:59,330 --> 00:07:56,380 35,000 number yeah like how much value 176 00:08:02,610 --> 00:07:59,340 does this random piece of metamaterial 177 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:02,620 how much is it worth but she she did say 178 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:05,170 I mean I'll give her this she said that 179 00:08:09,210 --> 00:08:07,120 she's been spending upwards of six 180 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:09,220 hundred to a thousand or two thousand 181 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:12,510 dollars per year since 1996 when she 182 00:08:18,750 --> 00:08:17,260 acquired this for Marvel idea yeah on 183 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:18,760 studying the 184 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:20,680 the object so she was just basically 185 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:22,480 like I'm gonna get my get my a money 186 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:28,810 back breakeven but yeah I mean who's to 187 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:31,510 say if this comes back because some of 188 00:08:37,770 --> 00:08:33,370 the testing has come back and it's been 189 00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:37,780 very kind of like oh well it's nothing 190 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:42,340 like really shocking yet has emerged we 191 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:44,350 think it might be able to float in the 192 00:08:51,570 --> 00:08:47,610 certain situation but we're not sure yet 193 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:51,580 so what happens if we spend all this 194 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:54,460 government money on top of all the money 195 00:08:59,580 --> 00:08:57,370 that T TSA is spending and this turns 196 00:09:04,110 --> 00:08:59,590 out to be you know as some people 197 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:04,120 believe like discarded material that was 198 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:07,150 manufactured that kind of was was off so 199 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:09,910 to speak right the leftover crap the 200 00:09:15,270 --> 00:09:12,820 accident accidental crap yeah I think 201 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:15,280 you factory processes sure yeah you know 202 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:17,440 I think it's all pretty exciting to 203 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:19,840 watch you know I'm a big fan of science 204 00:09:27,210 --> 00:09:24,250 lab testing and physical evidence so I'm 205 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:27,220 really happy to CT TSA getting access to 206 00:09:31,620 --> 00:09:29,410 more resources to conduct further 207 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:31,630 analysis on this material that's 208 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:34,630 received so much attention lately that 209 00:09:42,510 --> 00:09:38,410 being said I also can't help but notice 210 00:09:47,310 --> 00:09:42,520 some logical elements to this entire 211 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:47,320 situation first this material allegedly 212 00:09:56,460 --> 00:09:52,690 comes from a UFO recovered by the US 213 00:09:59,780 --> 00:09:56,470 military that would mean that the 214 00:10:02,760 --> 00:09:59,790 military already has this material 215 00:10:07,410 --> 00:10:02,770 conceivably lots of this material right 216 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:07,420 in his possession so and has since 1947 217 00:10:13,140 --> 00:10:09,330 you know if we're to believe the story 218 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:13,150 so it's interesting that the military 219 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:16,030 wants it this tiny piece to do testing 220 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:18,700 on it even though they seemingly have 221 00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:20,710 had it since the 40 used to test it and 222 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:22,000 do whatever they're going to do so 223 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:22,630 anyway 224 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:25,540 second it seems odd that if what's 225 00:10:31,410 --> 00:10:28,060 really of interest with this material is 226 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:31,420 this is it's alleged anti-gravity 227 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:32,250 potential 228 00:10:38,930 --> 00:10:36,400 why is the military only interested in 229 00:10:42,510 --> 00:10:38,940 using it for a ground vehicle armor 230 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:42,520 right camouflage - right so an army 231 00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:44,830 spokesperson told em Jabin iose in his 232 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:47,440 motherboard article quote if a novel 233 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:49,840 physical phenomenon is discovered or 234 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:52,090 empirical data exists that points us in 235 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:53,710 a certain direction with a given 236 00:10:57,450 --> 00:10:55,810 material sample we will certainly apply 237 00:11:00,540 --> 00:10:57,460 the appropriate laboratory and 238 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:00,550 appropriate stimulus to it to study the 239 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:03,700 resultant phenomena and apply it to 240 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:07,270 ground vehicle applications in quote the 241 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:10,090 statement is consistent with our me 242 00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:12,250 comments provided in the press release 243 00:11:19,890 --> 00:11:14,740 about the research agreement between T 244 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:19,900 TSA and the army so anyway i'm it's 245 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:22,690 that's kind of weird to me if the thing 246 00:11:25,230 --> 00:11:23,920 flows i guess maybe they could be 247 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:25,240 wanting their ground vehicles to float 248 00:11:28,380 --> 00:11:27,430 right yeah the enemy watched you watch 249 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:28,390 the Jetsons 250 00:11:35,550 --> 00:11:32,560 yeah yeah be cool I mean think about if 251 00:11:38,460 --> 00:11:35,560 you had one of Tesla's cyber trucks that 252 00:11:40,170 --> 00:11:38,470 could like float - oh that thing would 253 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:40,180 be crazy on that would be a Blade Runner 254 00:11:45,420 --> 00:11:43,450 yes I still can't figure out bulletproof 255 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:45,430 glass though so I think he's got a ways 256 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:46,060 to go 257 00:11:49,410 --> 00:11:47,530 well maybe that's why they need this 258 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:49,420 material you know 259 00:11:53,610 --> 00:11:51,790 so anyway I'm really looking forward to 260 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:53,620 seeing what the results of the testing 261 00:11:57,930 --> 00:11:56,470 are but it's a really it's really 262 00:12:00,990 --> 00:11:57,940 interesting seeing this new public 263 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:01,000 interest in alleged alien material like 264 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:02,830 we already mentioned this specific 265 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:06,010 material has been out there for a while 266 00:12:12,060 --> 00:12:08,440 now it's not new information 267 00:12:17,190 --> 00:12:12,070 Linda's talked about it and it's testing 268 00:12:19,230 --> 00:12:17,200 for years and that as its own 269 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:19,240 I mean alien materials is its own 270 00:12:24,750 --> 00:12:23,170 sub-genre of the UFO topic UFO alien 271 00:12:26,610 --> 00:12:24,760 material there have been countless 272 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:26,620 claims over the years from people who 273 00:12:32,070 --> 00:12:29,710 allege they possess a piece of a UFO so 274 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:32,080 I guess we can talk about a couple of 275 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:33,390 those right now 276 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:37,330 first because the TTS a piece is thought 277 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:39,910 to have anti-gravity properties it 278 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:41,890 really reminds me of a piece of material 279 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:45,370 that investigative reporter George Knapp 280 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:48,730 in his possession an alleged UFO crash 281 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:52,480 happened in Russia back in 1986 George 282 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:54,850 Knapp traveled to the crash site in the 283 00:12:59,820 --> 00:12:57,730 90s and he was given pieces multiple 284 00:13:02,820 --> 00:12:59,830 pieces of the material reportedly 285 00:13:05,070 --> 00:13:02,830 recovered from the crash site now in 286 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:05,080 2012 when the National atomic testing 287 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:07,600 museum in las vegas nevada opened its 288 00:13:12,170 --> 00:13:10,450 area51 myth or reality exhibit it 289 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:12,180 featured a piece of this material 290 00:13:18,420 --> 00:13:15,880 donated by Knapp and the information 291 00:13:21,780 --> 00:13:18,430 card accompanying the exhibit called it 292 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:21,790 a quote authentic alien artifact in 293 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:25,360 quote and description along with this 294 00:13:31,380 --> 00:13:28,450 material stated quote three Soviet 295 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:31,390 academic centers and eleven research 296 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:34,360 institutes analyzed the objects from 297 00:13:39,650 --> 00:13:36,880 this UFO crash the distance between 298 00:13:42,329 --> 00:13:39,660 atoms is different from ordinary iron 299 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:42,339 radar cannot be reflected from the 300 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:45,460 material elements in the material may 301 00:13:51,980 --> 00:13:48,370 disappear and new ones reappear after 302 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:51,990 heating one piece disappeared completely 303 00:13:58,260 --> 00:13:56,170 in front of four witnesses the core of 304 00:14:00,690 --> 00:13:58,270 the material is composed of a substance 305 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:00,700 with anti-gravitational properties in 306 00:14:08,310 --> 00:14:05,470 quote so here again this is a piece of 307 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:08,320 material with some pretty incredible 308 00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:13,170 gleams Knapp has had these since the 309 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:16,959 1990s and they were on public display in 310 00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:19,990 2012 now morning you and I covered the 311 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:21,790 news about George providing this bizarre 312 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:24,490 material to the museum back in 2012 and 313 00:14:29,940 --> 00:14:26,440 we were both pretty fascinated by the 314 00:14:32,579 --> 00:14:29,950 grand claims being made so what do you 315 00:14:34,829 --> 00:14:32,589 think there's seemingly so much more 316 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:34,839 attention being given to Lynda's 317 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:37,209 material that t TSA is working on now I 318 00:14:42,269 --> 00:14:40,270 mean to me George's material seems just 319 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:42,279 as interesting if not more interesting 320 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:45,070 well George's material is interesting 321 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:47,610 because that case also fascinates me 322 00:14:56,010 --> 00:14:51,970 that's the height for one one it goes by 323 00:14:59,190 --> 00:14:56,020 a couple names case personally I think 324 00:15:01,170 --> 00:14:59,200 that there's a new generation 325 00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:01,180 of people that have started getting 326 00:15:12,180 --> 00:15:06,030 interested in the field based on Tom's 327 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:12,190 musical sort of status and have dived 328 00:15:17,780 --> 00:15:14,470 into this now and I think there's a lot 329 00:15:21,690 --> 00:15:17,790 of people that don't pay attention to 330 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:21,700 you know off-centered articles in the I 331 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:24,490 know I remember when that article came 332 00:15:28,890 --> 00:15:26,320 out Lee Spiegel wrote about it on the 333 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:28,900 Huffington Post and there was big 334 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:32,350 shockwaves about the title card that 335 00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:37,600 said authentic alien artifact but I 336 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:38,950 think a lot of people weren't paying 337 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:40,930 attention and I think people are paying 338 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:43,930 attention now and so all these new 339 00:15:48,450 --> 00:15:45,430 people who are starting to get 340 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:48,460 fascinated have no idea that these 341 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:51,910 incredible other artifacts have existed 342 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:53,590 and have been public and have been 343 00:15:59,010 --> 00:15:57,490 talked about and publicized so it's I 344 00:16:02,540 --> 00:15:59,020 think it's a new era where we're just 345 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:02,550 having so many new people coming into 346 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:06,910 the idea that there are unknown craft of 347 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:09,880 unknown origin flying around in our air 348 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:14,110 spaces and and possibly interacting with 349 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:17,010 us whether that's military and or 350 00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:19,810 something next door trust real we do not 351 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:22,720 know so yeah I think it's it's just 352 00:16:29,940 --> 00:16:26,380 based on time and when that happened it 353 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:29,950 was probably 2000 I don't know 10 when 354 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:30,400 was that 355 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:34,390 George's on artifact on display we heard 356 00:16:39,570 --> 00:16:37,810 about it prior to to the museum right 357 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:39,580 getting it on display so yeah it 358 00:16:43,650 --> 00:16:41,410 probably would have been too 2010 you 359 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:43,660 know 2012 is when when we published his 360 00:16:47,550 --> 00:16:45,910 story about it okay and that's again a 361 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:47,560 museum open to you and we went to see it 362 00:16:52,590 --> 00:16:49,420 so I mean that was like that was a long 363 00:16:55,410 --> 00:16:52,600 time ago so seven years a lot changes 364 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:55,420 especially in this field and I think you 365 00:17:01,040 --> 00:16:57,490 know we're seeing that and for us I 366 00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:01,050 think maybe there's a level of maybe 367 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,500 annoyance or frustration that people are 368 00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:07,120 acknowledging just this one thing that's 369 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:10,150 been around forever that's been tested I 370 00:17:12,569 --> 00:17:11,650 mean don't get me wrong it's still cool 371 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:12,579 and 372 00:17:19,259 --> 00:17:17,230 see what happens but because we were so 373 00:17:21,269 --> 00:17:19,269 involved and know about so many other 374 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:21,279 pieces of material that have been going 375 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:23,850 to labs that have come back anomalous 376 00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:27,250 that this one particular people like 377 00:17:33,539 --> 00:17:29,200 paying so much attention to it maybe for 378 00:17:36,769 --> 00:17:33,549 us is is kind of dumbfounding a little 379 00:17:40,649 --> 00:17:36,779 bit but in the grand scheme of things 380 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:40,659 you know people are new to learning 381 00:17:47,129 --> 00:17:44,080 about this stuff right and Ryan I mean 382 00:17:49,889 --> 00:17:47,139 talking about all the way back in 2012 383 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:49,899 you know social media was a different 384 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:51,010 thing back then the social media 385 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:53,470 landscape is completely different you 386 00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:55,960 know so many years after that how much 387 00:17:59,759 --> 00:17:57,760 do you think you know the current social 388 00:18:01,440 --> 00:17:59,769 media landscape plays into that to the 389 00:18:03,629 --> 00:18:01,450 the current hype that we're seeing oh 390 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:03,639 it's huge I mean like Maureen said the 391 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:06,250 there were articles that are in very 392 00:18:13,019 --> 00:18:09,760 sort of peripheral you know magazines 393 00:18:15,629 --> 00:18:13,029 websites all that sort of stuff about 394 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:15,639 these topics but now when you have 395 00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:17,529 someone like Tom dong who has the 396 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:20,260 resources to get stories like this 397 00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:22,870 working with the army and even the the 398 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:25,960 Nimitz Encounter everything out to the 399 00:18:32,450 --> 00:18:29,230 New York Times Washington Post it really 400 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:32,460 changes the landscape of how UFOs are 401 00:18:37,980 --> 00:18:35,500 handled in mainstream media so I think 402 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:37,990 it's interesting that we now live in an 403 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:41,769 age where this news about what what to 404 00:18:46,919 --> 00:18:44,260 the Stars is doing we can figure it out 405 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:46,929 immediately when back then when that was 406 00:18:52,139 --> 00:18:49,450 trying to you know brought this forward 407 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:52,149 and wanted to get stuff analyzed and 408 00:18:58,110 --> 00:18:55,330 tested it's not as easy to find the labs 409 00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:58,120 to get more people involved so yeah I 410 00:19:03,090 --> 00:18:59,679 think it's fascinating that a lot of 411 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:03,100 people I mean look at just secret 412 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:04,480 Pentagon UFO Perego 413 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:06,580 program they the government was 414 00:19:11,399 --> 00:19:09,100 investigating UFOs like that came to a 415 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:11,409 shock to many people but like you guys 416 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:14,110 said we're so used to this stuff that we 417 00:19:20,490 --> 00:19:16,690 are like oh well yeah they did that 418 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:20,500 before like 4050 years ago so I think it 419 00:19:25,169 --> 00:19:22,600 does have a lot to do with this 420 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:25,179 information is new to a lot of newer 421 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,410 people you 422 00:19:31,410 --> 00:19:28,960 anger people and I think that's exciting 423 00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:31,420 that they can now sort of live that 424 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:35,200 shock in awe that we might have had six 425 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:36,510 seven years ago 426 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:39,220 yeah well Brian you mentioned you know 427 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:41,590 labs and testing so we can move on to 428 00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:45,820 other materials so of course we have the 429 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:48,430 interesting materials collected from the 430 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:50,110 alleged debris field and Roswell New 431 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:53,050 Mexico where a craft reportedly crashed 432 00:19:58,500 --> 00:19:56,250 back in 1947 and Ryan you recently got 433 00:20:01,140 --> 00:19:58,510 personally involved with these materials 434 00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:01,150 so why don't you tell us about them yeah 435 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:04,150 so this was right around the time when a 436 00:20:11,490 --> 00:20:07,030 new sort of broke that Frank Kim blur 437 00:20:13,650 --> 00:20:11,500 the the geologist in Roswell had been 438 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:13,660 doing digs for years out at what he 439 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:15,910 presumed was the Roswell crash site I 440 00:20:21,450 --> 00:20:18,100 mean how he found the location alone is 441 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:21,460 pretty amazing as well but I did have 442 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:23,320 the opportunity to go out to that site 443 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:25,990 where he and his son had been digging 444 00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,090 and digging and digging for stuff and 445 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:30,880 they found metals out there really 446 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:33,670 interesting metals and I did I got to 447 00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:35,650 touch him I got to hold them I got to 448 00:20:43,650 --> 00:20:39,880 then get them tested at a aerospace lab 449 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:43,660 in California so it was pretty big and 450 00:20:48,570 --> 00:20:46,090 pretty heavy you know I I wasn't sure 451 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:48,580 what to expect it was for a TV project 452 00:20:54,890 --> 00:20:50,730 so I thought oh you know it's all 453 00:20:57,870 --> 00:20:54,900 television probably it's gonna be 454 00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:57,880 something you know very mundane and 455 00:21:02,790 --> 00:20:59,410 we're gonna make it really exciting but 456 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:02,800 what I appreciated about the lab that we 457 00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:05,890 worked with and the production crew was 458 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,860 that they just did what they could do 459 00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:10,720 and that was to get these tested out of 460 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:13,240 metals lab and when we got our results 461 00:21:19,260 --> 00:21:16,260 back they were they were sobering but 462 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:19,270 they were also really interesting I mean 463 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:22,150 Frank says to this day the tests we had 464 00:21:27,150 --> 00:21:24,040 done and I do agree with him on this 465 00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:27,160 were only a tiny fraction of what could 466 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:29,140 be done and some of the stuff we found 467 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:31,690 was actually pretty intriguing I have to 468 00:21:37,940 --> 00:21:36,250 admit that we found that whatever was 469 00:21:40,020 --> 00:21:37,950 out in the middle of this desert 470 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:40,030 definitely came from 471 00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:43,450 thing that had to do with aerospace I 472 00:21:49,650 --> 00:21:45,160 mean it's almost unarguable at this 473 00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:49,660 point Frank has had it retested we only 474 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,150 have limited resources to do the tests 475 00:21:58,410 --> 00:21:55,360 we did but I have been talking to him in 476 00:22:00,810 --> 00:21:58,420 the past few weeks now and it's pretty 477 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:00,820 fascinating what he found out there but 478 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,260 again this isn't making it out to the 479 00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:04,960 mainstream because Frank is just one guy 480 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:09,670 in Roswell and he's not Tom DeLonge so I 481 00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:11,740 don't know I think whatever Frank has 482 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:13,900 out there is still worth looking at for 483 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:17,650 sure I mean personally I think that 484 00:22:27,570 --> 00:22:24,670 Frank is celebrity status I agree he's 485 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:27,580 worried use people in the world he loved 486 00:22:32,190 --> 00:22:29,770 Frank and whirring you've also been out 487 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:32,200 to the Roswell debris field and you've 488 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:34,570 seen Frank's material and heard him 489 00:22:38,340 --> 00:22:36,430 speak about the many times over the 490 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:38,350 years so what do you think about the 491 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:41,560 stuff that he has well I I think that 492 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:44,770 you know it it's interesting because of 493 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:48,330 if you go out to the the field and see 494 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:50,650 what it is I mean you're in the desert 495 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:53,130 in the middle of nowhere it's it's 496 00:23:01,260 --> 00:22:56,970 basically government-owned farmland and 497 00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:01,270 it's desolate and you can see sort of 498 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:03,340 activity by a lot of different people 499 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:05,050 who have come through looking for 500 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:10,690 artifacts so finding things there is 501 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:14,110 neat and the fact that it's come from 502 00:23:22,620 --> 00:23:18,190 sort of an aerospace angle with the 503 00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:22,630 testing is intriguing but I don't know 504 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:24,040 again it's one of those things where 505 00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:26,830 it's at this point it's nothing till 506 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:30,310 it's something and we kind of have to 507 00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:33,100 wait until more advanced testing can be 508 00:23:37,940 --> 00:23:34,870 done I mean I say this all the time 509 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:37,950 because I kind of dealt with a different 510 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:41,530 situation than Ryan when I was involved 511 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:44,710 in a TV project and we tested metal that 512 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:47,770 was I mean this is a much more 513 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:51,730 far-fetched story was allegedly shot off 514 00:23:58,050 --> 00:23:53,410 of a UFO 515 00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:58,060 and melted into a guy's driveway and it 516 00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:01,330 came back we took it - it had been 517 00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:05,100 tested in various labs we took a sample 518 00:24:10,890 --> 00:24:08,140 to another lab I was not involved with 519 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:10,900 picking how this testing was going to be 520 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:14,380 done and of course the people who tested 521 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:16,630 it are lovely people let me say that 522 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:19,390 first we showed up to their lab and the 523 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:21,970 first thing I see is like a giant Star 524 00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,140 Trek you know memorial lots of toys and 525 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:30,240 things 526 00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:33,370 yeah basically and then I found out that 527 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:37,150 they were in fact involved in the UFO 528 00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,290 community legitimate scientists however 529 00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:43,360 there's that bias and you hear me say 530 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:45,640 this all the time that I think it should 531 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:48,610 be definitely any testing done in labs 532 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:51,610 should be by you know third-party 533 00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:53,410 sources that have no idea what people 534 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:56,740 think it might be and or are involved in 535 00:25:01,290 --> 00:24:58,210 the UFO community because there is a 536 00:25:03,780 --> 00:25:01,300 bias that definitely comes forward I 537 00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:03,790 think a little bit even when the science 538 00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:08,100 is is there the metal that we had had 539 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:15,070 unnatural levels of one of strontium she 540 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:18,130 you know what my brain my memory is so 541 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:19,090 bad so many years ago 542 00:25:25,950 --> 00:25:21,490 remember though that what the number 543 00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:25,960 strong camp it was so it was coming back 544 00:25:37,230 --> 00:25:32,430 unusual that it was not man-made and 545 00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:37,240 again cool but it could be a thousand 546 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:40,030 things but the level of testing required 547 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:42,010 to be done on these pieces requires 548 00:25:49,170 --> 00:25:45,130 extensive funds and funds that while the 549 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:49,180 Army has however most scenarios to test 550 00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:51,220 all these metals don't so we're entering 551 00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:53,140 I think like Ryan said earlier you know 552 00:25:59,880 --> 00:25:56,830 this is an exciting thing because the 553 00:26:03,000 --> 00:25:59,890 money and the technology is now 554 00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,010 available to TTS a do you have that 555 00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:05,440 level of testing done now could there be 556 00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:06,800 conspiracy and coverup 557 00:26:12,610 --> 00:26:10,430 of course but yeah it's it's a new era 558 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:12,620 so yes there's all these metals and all 559 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:15,230 this testing is being done my opinion on 560 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:19,010 all of it is I'm still waiting for the 561 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:21,320 the ground shocking news about one of 562 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:24,170 these mouthpieces yeah Maureen you made 563 00:26:29,050 --> 00:26:25,850 a good point to like about the science 564 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:29,060 like sometimes it's not even what like a 565 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:31,610 high amount of something in these alloys 566 00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:34,760 are these metals it's what's not in it 567 00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:38,000 and at least with us like it wasn't we 568 00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:39,950 were looking for this one particular 569 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:42,380 element molybdenum which Frank had other 570 00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:44,630 tests done that said there was a 571 00:26:49,630 --> 00:26:46,670 ridiculous amount of it in the metal and 572 00:26:52,330 --> 00:26:49,640 that should never happen on earth so we 573 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:52,340 had that specific test done to look for 574 00:26:58,030 --> 00:26:54,520 that element now we came up with a 575 00:27:01,900 --> 00:26:58,040 extremely different result and that was 576 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:01,910 very you know unfortunate like we were 577 00:27:06,010 --> 00:27:03,650 hoping that was gonna be it but it's 578 00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,020 actually what we didn't find that was 579 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:07,760 more intriguing and Frank pointed this 580 00:27:13,870 --> 00:27:10,370 out to us that what we found or I should 581 00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:13,880 say what he found what we had tested had 582 00:27:22,030 --> 00:27:19,520 a huge amount of iron and whatever it 583 00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:22,040 came from like shouldn't have had that 584 00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:24,200 much iron and definitely was aerospace 585 00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:25,640 and was out in the middle of a desert 586 00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:28,940 where there's no life nothing so I think 587 00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,620 that's really interesting too and 588 00:27:35,260 --> 00:27:32,720 another thing to bring up too is that 589 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:35,270 you know T TSA in the army 590 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:37,100 you've got george knapp and the atomic 591 00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:39,530 testing museum and then with us it was 592 00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,750 with Frank the government the Bureau 593 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:43,760 Land Management wanted to take his 594 00:27:47,710 --> 00:27:46,310 metals so it seems to always go back to 595 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:47,720 the military and government these 596 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:52,640 materials somehow someway absolutely and 597 00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,990 do we trust that or not 598 00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:56,000 it's the real question right but they're 599 00:28:00,820 --> 00:27:57,860 the only ones who have the money to do 600 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:00,830 it so it is it's a really weird nebulous 601 00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:05,090 area yeah you know and then there's also 602 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:10,280 the whole alien implant thing so I don't 603 00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:14,260 really want to dive into that today but 604 00:28:19,810 --> 00:28:17,630 briefly there are several people who 605 00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:19,820 over the years have done research on 606 00:28:22,919 --> 00:28:20,419 missed 607 00:28:25,539 --> 00:28:22,929 areas objects removed from inside people 608 00:28:28,629 --> 00:28:25,549 dr. Roger Leir is someone who did 609 00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:28,639 extensive research in the field and he 610 00:28:32,529 --> 00:28:30,230 and his associates made some pretty big 611 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:32,539 claims about some of these objects like 612 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:35,929 emitting signals moving once removed 613 00:28:41,349 --> 00:28:38,210 from the body and other incredible stuff 614 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:41,359 and some of his research indicated that 615 00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:43,609 some of these objects showed signs of 616 00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:47,779 being advanced nanotechnology jeremy 617 00:28:52,989 --> 00:28:49,340 corbels film about dr. lairs word 618 00:28:54,729 --> 00:28:52,999 patient 17 is something that you know i 619 00:28:56,889 --> 00:28:54,739 would recommend people check out if 620 00:29:00,159 --> 00:28:56,899 you're interested in more on alleged 621 00:29:02,769 --> 00:29:00,169 alien implants but I guess briefly Ryan 622 00:29:05,259 --> 00:29:02,779 what are your thoughts on on that sort 623 00:29:07,539 --> 00:29:05,269 of alleged alien material I think it's 624 00:29:10,979 --> 00:29:07,549 interesting I mean I do speak to 625 00:29:13,539 --> 00:29:10,989 experiencers on almost a daily basis I 626 00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,549 personally have never had any experience 627 00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,159 with seeing these implants that were 628 00:29:21,249 --> 00:29:19,039 taken out or touching them or being in 629 00:29:24,669 --> 00:29:21,259 proximity to them I remember one 630 00:29:29,499 --> 00:29:24,679 experience er said they had over 2000 631 00:29:31,659 --> 00:29:29,509 implants in them I don't know if I tend 632 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:31,669 to believe that I saw no indication of 633 00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:33,950 that but yet there are these stories 634 00:29:38,139 --> 00:29:36,710 where people had things removed and you 635 00:29:39,999 --> 00:29:38,149 know they went to get it and it would 636 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:40,009 like literally almost like it was 637 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:42,470 intelligent it would go away from the 638 00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,289 the surgeon or the people trying to get 639 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:48,799 it so it is fascinating and it's 640 00:29:55,659 --> 00:29:51,769 interesting but nothing that I would 641 00:29:57,789 --> 00:29:55,669 really put my timer efforts into at this 642 00:30:01,479 --> 00:29:57,799 point but again unless it was taken out 643 00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,489 and tests were done on it the one person 644 00:30:07,349 --> 00:30:04,399 that we had that could do that is now 645 00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,359 gone and that's unfortunate 646 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:10,159 there are others who are still doing 647 00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:13,850 implant removals morning doesn't Derrel 648 00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,039 Sims and dr. Leir were partners at first 649 00:30:24,970 --> 00:30:22,159 yeah I like I don't want to say there 650 00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:24,980 was a falling out but I think there may 651 00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:27,230 have been two where they ended up going 652 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:28,340 on their own paths 653 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:32,210 but yeah Daryl has a lot of 654 00:30:39,549 --> 00:30:35,450 things that are alleged to be implants 655 00:30:42,999 --> 00:30:39,559 and/or material of an origin as well and 656 00:30:44,739 --> 00:30:43,009 Ryan's your comment about having not 657 00:30:46,330 --> 00:30:44,749 having seen them um the ones I've seen 658 00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:46,340 there's certainly not much to see right 659 00:30:52,509 --> 00:30:50,960 I mean they're super tiny lying small 660 00:30:54,639 --> 00:30:52,519 that like sometimes they're like grains 661 00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:54,649 of sand really exactly and you know 662 00:31:00,129 --> 00:30:57,080 again like and a lot of them just look 663 00:31:02,590 --> 00:31:00,139 like calcified whatever blood or 664 00:31:05,499 --> 00:31:02,600 something within the body so I mean 665 00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:05,509 again it it's in the eye of the beholder 666 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:08,600 if this experiencer has a story that 667 00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:11,330 they were abducted by aliens and this 668 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:13,070 implant comes out of course they're 669 00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:14,330 gonna think it was put in there by the 670 00:31:18,879 --> 00:31:16,340 aliens but when you have someone who's 671 00:31:20,649 --> 00:31:18,889 never told the abduction story and 672 00:31:22,989 --> 00:31:20,659 they're still finding these weird things 673 00:31:26,769 --> 00:31:22,999 inside people that's kind of interesting 674 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:26,779 too but yeah like I said it's it's such 675 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:29,210 a murky territory when it comes to all 676 00:31:34,779 --> 00:31:31,480 the the implant stuff for me personally 677 00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:34,789 well the influence that is so much so 678 00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,580 much more controversial to right I mean 679 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:39,919 is this is kind of weird creepy 680 00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,369 territory and Maureen to your point 681 00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:44,480 especially I think with the whole 682 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:48,169 implant thing what you said about you 683 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:49,850 know making sure the science is good is 684 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:54,049 is so important making sure the you know 685 00:31:58,529 --> 00:31:55,970 people doing the removing and the people 686 00:32:01,960 --> 00:31:58,539 doing any sort of testing are not 687 00:32:04,509 --> 00:32:01,970 themselves affiliated with the UFO world 688 00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:04,519 right I think that sort of taints it and 689 00:32:10,419 --> 00:32:07,340 and causes people to sort of steer the 690 00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:10,429 evidence right and and like I made that 691 00:32:14,259 --> 00:32:12,200 point the people who were doing the 692 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:14,269 testing we're legitimate scientists and 693 00:32:20,649 --> 00:32:17,330 I'm not discrediting their science they 694 00:32:23,139 --> 00:32:20,659 it's more of the fact that the 695 00:32:26,529 --> 00:32:23,149 association with the UFO phenomenon 696 00:32:29,169 --> 00:32:26,539 makes me feel like it is less credible 697 00:32:30,879 --> 00:32:29,179 to present to the public that's even if 698 00:32:33,129 --> 00:32:30,889 we're there's the science behind their 699 00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:33,139 point yeah the science can be you know 700 00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:37,220 completely good science but yeah that 701 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:40,070 association taints it yeah and you know 702 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:43,850 that with the the implants to like ryan 703 00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,530 said that's very it's murky 704 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:47,360 territory and I've seen some really 705 00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:49,610 weird things and I've obviously like 706 00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:51,860 Jason mentioned patient 17 goes over a 707 00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:55,180 lot of detail and science behind a 708 00:33:03,580 --> 00:32:58,520 specific implant removal alleged implant 709 00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:03,590 I should say and it's it's fascinating 710 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:05,990 but unfortunately you know a lot of 711 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:08,090 people are very disturbed by this idea 712 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:11,210 and as Ryan mentioned you know he's 713 00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:12,710 talked to people who allege that they 714 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:16,880 have 2000 implants and it's it's a 715 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:21,110 really big I think it can be a big 716 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:22,970 mental problem 717 00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:26,180 health problem and when I say this I'm 718 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:28,190 saying that people are going to get so 719 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:30,290 scared that they may have an alleged 720 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:32,570 alien implant that they're gonna try to 721 00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:34,100 get it out and I've witnessed this 722 00:33:38,620 --> 00:33:36,560 before and it was somebody trying to 723 00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:38,630 like dig an implant out of their leg and 724 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:40,760 it was really gross and disturbing and I 725 00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:42,770 tried to stop it 726 00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:48,830 you know so I guess my plea is if you 727 00:33:54,340 --> 00:33:51,140 think that there is something going on 728 00:33:56,970 --> 00:33:54,350 like that do not try to hurt yourself to 729 00:33:59,770 --> 00:33:56,980 remove an implant go see somebody 730 00:34:02,170 --> 00:33:59,780 because it is not something and someone 731 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:02,180 should do on their own and maybe it is a 732 00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:04,850 natural foreign object that has gotten 733 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:07,190 lodged in your your your leg or where 734 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:10,490 have you right I mean it doesn't matter 735 00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:14,090 what what you think you know put that 736 00:34:18,669 --> 00:34:16,790 there what its origin is or what its 737 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,679 actual origin may be if that's the case 738 00:34:22,899 --> 00:34:20,720 that some alien put it in you that 739 00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:22,909 really doesn't matter doctors are still 740 00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:24,919 going to help you take that out if you 741 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:26,540 go and say I've got something weird 742 00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,450 inside me please get this out doctors 743 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:31,760 are going to help you absolutely and 744 00:34:36,090 --> 00:34:34,040 also like that goes with hypnotherapy 745 00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:36,100 too I mean if you think you were 746 00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:38,840 abducted by aliens or you have a memory 747 00:34:42,850 --> 00:34:40,760 of something really weird happening and 748 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,860 you need to like deal with it mentally 749 00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:44,960 and emotionally don't go to an alien 750 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:48,550 therapist go to a real you know 751 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:52,010 certified therapist or psychoanalyst or 752 00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,130 a hypnotherapist and have them do it I 753 00:34:59,050 --> 00:34:58,400 feel like no matter if it's hypnotherapy 754 00:35:04,870 --> 00:34:59,060 or 755 00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:04,880 removed like go where the science is not 756 00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:09,710 where the biased is I would say yeah so 757 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:12,500 I we we all love material when it comes 758 00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:14,530 to this strange world of you up close 759 00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:17,270 it's exciting when you have something 760 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:21,110 physical to analyze but as with anything 761 00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:23,990 else related to UFO research it's so 762 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:26,780 important to remain objective avoiding 763 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:28,910 any attempts to force results to fit 764 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:30,170 your desired outcome 765 00:35:35,590 --> 00:35:33,290 TTS a is effort could conclude that the 766 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:35,600 material they have is just a piece of 767 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:38,930 junk would that be bad not an expensive 768 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:41,570 piece of junk expensive be the jock so 769 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:44,690 it wouldn't be bad it's it's just a 770 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:46,790 result of scientific testing it would 771 00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,610 eliminate one item of interest allowing 772 00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:52,400 them to move on to the next one now if T 773 00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:55,430 TSA is test results in an incredible 774 00:36:01,060 --> 00:35:57,500 discovery then that will be pretty 775 00:36:03,570 --> 00:36:01,070 exciting as far as we're concerned we're 776 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:03,580 just spectators at someone else's show 777 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:06,650 we're happy to see a company with the 778 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:09,530 necessary resources taking Gamble's on 779 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:12,110 things like this trying to unravel 780 00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:15,130 mysteries it's a fun show to watch 781 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:19,670 regardless of the outcome well that's 782 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:21,050 where I'm going to end it unless you 783 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:23,630 guys have anything else to add nope I I 784 00:36:28,780 --> 00:36:25,910 agree I'm along for the ride I can't 785 00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:28,790 wait to see what comes of this material 786 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:30,920 maybe finally we'll get an answer that 787 00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:33,290 when does house been looking for for 788 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:36,470 almost three decades now yeah seriously 789 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,290 but what well what happens if if the 790 00:36:44,590 --> 00:36:42,320 army then does testing and it comes back 791 00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:44,600 super anomalous and they're like oh 792 00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:46,550 sweet we're going to be able to have 793 00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:50,030 floating cars and do all this crazy 794 00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:52,280 stuff with this this metal on our ground 795 00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,980 vehicles in and then it's all black 796 00:36:58,660 --> 00:36:56,960 budget and we never hear the results I 797 00:37:01,330 --> 00:36:58,670 mean that's a concern 798 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:01,340 Oh huge concern and a very big 799 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:04,610 possibility I think so again it's hard 800 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:07,970 because we know that to the Stars wants 801 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:09,770 to look at UFOs but at the end of the 802 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:11,570 day I keep coming back to the fact that 803 00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,110 too long is 804 00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:14,880 trying to paint a better picture of the 805 00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:17,940 military and people seem to keep 806 00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:19,710 forgetting that that that's kind of the 807 00:37:24,380 --> 00:37:22,200 end goal with all this is to find 808 00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,390 interesting technology to benefit 809 00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:27,000 humanity and also paint a better picture 810 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:30,870 of the US military so I don't know 811 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:32,730 Maureen that's a really good point even 812 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:34,830 if it does get tested and its anomalous 813 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:38,670 will we ever even know or find out we'll 814 00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:41,610 probably be left in the dark yep and 815 00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:43,620 again I mean that's another big thing 816 00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:47,670 too you know being able to get to the 817 00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:50,550 application stage right because even if 818 00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:52,950 you find out the material is anomalous 819 00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,240 or may be extraterrestrial or has signs 820 00:38:02,900 --> 00:37:59,700 to indicate that it was manufactured not 821 00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:02,910 on this planet that's interesting news 822 00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:04,740 it's stuff that makes us scratch our 823 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:07,980 heads or makes us go wow that's so rad 824 00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:09,630 and we tell our friends and we discuss 825 00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:11,990 it and talk about the possibilities but 826 00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,240 that's it you know just because you've 827 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:17,160 found a piece of material that's weird 828 00:38:22,220 --> 00:38:18,840 it doesn't mean all of a sudden that we 829 00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:22,230 can build flying saucers yeah that's a 830 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:23,880 good point I mean we also know that at 831 00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:25,830 the beginning Tom DeLonge wanted to 832 00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:32,700 build a spaceship what if that actually 833 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:36,320 happens where we in our lifetime somehow 834 00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:39,330 you have well it wouldn't be a UFO and 835 00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:41,960 just be a spacecraft you're right that 836 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:47,790 is yeah that is easy to and fast to get 837 00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:50,370 around the galaxy or not even the galaxy 838 00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,320 the universe yeah I mean I don't think 839 00:39:00,980 --> 00:38:56,760 that crazy look at how far technology 840 00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:00,990 has come in the last ten years yeah I 841 00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:03,120 don't know it's crazy well especially 842 00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:05,340 since if if what I said earlier about 843 00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:08,280 the military if they did recover 844 00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:13,070 you know this crashed UFO back in 1947 845 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:16,350 imagine what they I mean I assume it 846 00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:17,460 takes a long time to reverse-engineer 847 00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:19,710 but maybe they already have something 848 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:22,680 cool and now they just need an extra 849 00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:25,890 piece one one more extra piece to me 850 00:39:29,540 --> 00:39:27,600 to make it super tough and how great 851 00:39:33,350 --> 00:39:29,550 armor it's just missing the cup holder 852 00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:33,360 in a cup holder with a cup full of 853 00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:38,790 element 115 exactly that's what actually 854 00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:42,260 the pilot has to drink the element 115 855 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:45,420 concoction in order to fly boom a scrap 856 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:50,010 humans can now fly all right guys that's 857 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:51,570 gonna do it for this episode of 858 00:39:55,850 --> 00:39:53,850 somewhere in the skies Jason Waring 859 00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:55,860 thank you so much for joining me guys 860 00:40:00,400 --> 00:39:58,650 Jason woody up to these days my man and 861 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:00,410 where can we find more of your stuff oh 862 00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:03,290 I'm up to all sorts of strange things 863 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:05,400 doing some plotting and some scheming 864 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:09,410 and I don't know I guess I'll tell you I 865 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:13,050 finished the introduction of my next 866 00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:15,810 book hey that's more than most of us our 867 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:20,550 first guess so yeah you could follow 868 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:21,810 along everything I'm doing 869 00:40:26,570 --> 00:40:23,970 Twitter's the best place at a centric 870 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:26,580 also on Instagram and of course rogue 871 00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:29,250 planet TV awesome Maureen how about you 872 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:32,390 been traveling a worldly person lately 873 00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:35,490 yeah I just got back from a month and a 874 00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:38,910 half in Europe and did a really long 875 00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:41,630 road trip around Scotland and tried to 876 00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:44,790 see some of the most haunted and 877 00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,780 paranormal UFO locations in the world I 878 00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:50,640 mean there's Scotland's got a lot of old 879 00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:54,270 history there it was incredible other 880 00:41:00,830 --> 00:40:56,190 than that I've been hiding under a rock 881 00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:00,840 I've been avoiding social media and kind 882 00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:03,240 of staying out of the news in fact to I 883 00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,700 so I'm I would say I'm a little bit 884 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:08,640 uninformed these days but catching 885 00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,530 catching up I guess would be what I'm up 886 00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:13,680 to now sometimes uninformed is better 887 00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:17,940 trust me awesome guys well I got a thank 888 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:20,550 you again for coming on and everyone out 889 00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,530 there check us out on somewhere in the 890 00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:25,680 skies calm and remember keep your feet 891 00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:27,950 on the ground but never stop searching 892 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:31,260 somewhere in the skies somewhere in the 893 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:32,690 sky 894 00:42:13,680 --> 00:41:35,270 oh that heavy metal ones going 895 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:13,690 [Music] 896 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:16,170 [Applause] 897 00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:18,450 somewhere in the skies is produced by 898 00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,220 Third Kind productions in association 899 00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:22,140 with the entertainment one podcast